11/16/08

Where is the governor on land use?

About a month ago, Governor Huntsman was cited in a Salt Lake Tribune article saying that ATV abuse was "offensive and an embarrassment". Now I read the Tribune cover to cover almost every day, and it is no surprise to me that the article was a spin job. The Tribune has lost site of where the editorial page ends and the news begins. I have seen very biased reporting on many issues particularly environmental issues as far forward as the front page.

That being said, if you read the story the first time, it sounded like the governor was condemning the impact of ATVs, not the abuse. If you read it very carefully a second time, you will get the point that it is abuse by OHVs the governor was talking about. Of course, it does not help the motorized community's perception that the Governor made his first major land policy statement from a private tour he was taking with the most radical of environmental groups: the Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance (SUWA).

In my way of thinking, my words as an official had been spun with that much bias, I would have taken some measure to clarify the official record to make my position clear. I thought certainly the governor would do that, with a press release, a comment at a public event, or even in a regular broadcast to the public. In the days following the story, I heard from literally hundreds of viewers and associates enraged over both the secret tour with SUWA, and the comments. I told them all to be patient and give the governor a chance to clear it up. I know from first hand experience it is to get a contrasting point of view about a misstatement made by the Trib to press. So I, along with countless others waited....... and waited...... nothing.

The net result of the subsequent silence by the Governor's office about the issue, especially in light of the fact the he has received e-mails and letters from people ( I have received copies) , would tend to indicate that he was not uncomfortable with the spin of the Tribune. (tacit approval). This has led to the infamous quote about abomination and embarrassments festering into a life of its own. It has become the by-line of a string of internet chatter among the groups and clubs who originally were impressed with the governor's interest in dirt bikes. To this group, that now seems like the stuff of a photo-op.

It has become such a topic of conversation, and requests to our show that we address the issue, the we felt obliged to bring it up in the context of the entire battle motorized recreationists have felt at the hand of the extremely well funded, out of state supported SUWA. Thier court noted meddling in government agencies, and direct input on public land policy, has violated the clear need to separate government function from direct advocate manipulation. SUWA should not have a desk inside the Moab Field Office of the BLM!

This was the genesis of my decision to write the editorial. It was not to make accusations about the governor, for truly he has said so little about land policy, that I don't think many if any people outside his inner circle have a real notion of where he stands. My purpose was to paint a picture from the perspective of the vast majority of motorized recreationists and the trials they have endured, the losses they have taken, and the malignment of their image into an ill-tempered mob of inbred illiterates with more horsepower in their hands than brains. While there are some who will fit that description, by and large the group are family people who love the outdoors and exploring. They respect the land, they are as far and diverse a group as the general electorate. They are Democrat and Republican, they are male and female, they are old and young. From 12 year olds with their first dirt bike, to Bob Welti, former weatherman, who at age 82 purchased his first Yamaha Rino last year. This group of recreationist is made up of dentists, architects, attorneys, BYU professors, fish and game officers, contractors, and district forest rangers for the U.S. Forest Service.

So we set out to tape an editorial segment. We completed it on Thursday, and as a courtesy, I delivered a copy to the governor's press secretary, so that they could have an advance look at what I was going to say. When I presented the copy to Lisa Rosekelly she scolded my like a nun with a ruler would take to a first grader!. She said " I can't believe that you would create (an editorial) without contacting us first". She was incredulous that someone would publicly express and opinion about the governor without checking with her first! (well that is a newspaper reporter for you). So after a polite but, full on drubbing for being a "moronic atv rider", in my unprofessional approach, I excused myself and invited her to review the editorial and that I would take any suggestions about the piece into account to make sure that we were correct in our assumptions.

Within the hour, she was on my cell phone as I was arriving to make a scheduled appearance in north Ogden at Big Boys Toys. She again intoned to me that I must have been out of my mind thinking that the governor would not take offense at the editorial. She then went on a shopping list of all the things that I had said that were incorrect. The list was long and had many details. To be sure, I had made some mistakes in my editorial comments, most glaring was that Governor Huntsman started as a poor kid in Fillmore. Am I crazy or was that the buzz when the Governor wanted to hold that state of the state address in Filmore at the old Territorial Capital, the town of his childhood roots. I recalled reading articles about shop owners and restaurant operators recalling the Governor. But I was informed, and subsequently found out that the Governor was born in Palo Alto California. I am now confused.

Lest I digress too far from the point. i asked Ms. Roskelly to e-mail to me a summary of things I had missed or gotten wrong and that I would fix them on Friday before we aired he piece. We left that conversation with her promising it would happen........ I waited at my desk until midnight... the e-mail never came. (sound familiar?) So recalling as best I could the statements she had made, I set out to go to the sources available to me, to check them out. It turned out to be one of the busiest 12 hours of my life.

Her major concerns, as I recall them from our phone conversation were these:

  1. Governor Huntsman was not from Fillmore.
  2. Governor Huntsman has taken many trips with groups prior to SUWA and has been in touch with officials in every county in the state researching land use problems.
  3. Our editorial unfairly linked the governor to the positions of SUWA, with whom he does not agree with catagorically.
  4. Governor Huntsman has made several land policy statements over the past couple of years.
  5. He had already scheduled a planned a meeting with an OHV organization to discuss staying on the trails and other similar issues.

So I set out to check my sources to make sure I had it correct. Here is what I found:

  1. Governor Huntsman was not from Fillmore, he was born in Palo Alto California, then moved to Salt Lake (my bad)
  2. I contacted county commissioners Dan Hulet and Mark Habbeshaw of Kane County (as these are the only current county commissioners I have easy access to. They said the Governor's Office has never been in contact with them inquiring about land use issues. When I reached them they were at the Utah Association of Counties meeting and had just been discussing land use and the Governor's Office and that they were writing a group letter asking him to amend part of his report to the Bureau of Land Management regarding the six Resource management plans. They had grave concerns about his new land designation creating the opportunity to turn state lands into de-facto wilderness lands, resulting in the closure of many critical routes. It appears that Kane County is not the only one who missed the Governor's tour to the counties.
  3. I reviewed the first editorial. and fair to say, it was not the most clear in separating the governor's position from our concerns about the state of land access. Hence my decision to re-shoot the story. I still don't think it was a bad editorial, so I have posted it here along with the one we aired. Knowing the Governor's office concerns about it, you can look at it and decide for yourself. I would love to hear and post your comments on it.
  4. I checked with John Borg, he is a fellow up in the Logan area who has been the motorized community's sentinel regarding pending land actions in the federal register, and notifier of land issue articles in the Utah newspapers. John, like me could not recall any significant statements or policies regarding land access by the Governor in the last couple of years. Borg, by the way, is a guy we should all thank. He spends countless hours formulating ideas and checking what is in play in the back field regarding all public land access. If you are ever introduced to him, shake his hand, bow, and thank him for his tireless work, He and Curt Kennedy are two of the hardest working men in the state on land issues. Neither one gets paid, neither one gets any where near the praise they should!
  5. Now here is where it gets dicey. I didn't know how to reach the OHV group The Governor's Office said they were meeting with. I had heard of them, but did not know who they really were, other than they were a group of dedicated and environmentally conscientious dirt bike riders who had worked with the state to build a trail system somewhere. So I couldn't check out that source. Well as providence would have it, I heard from them Friday Morning. It appears that the Governors office had just contacted them to set up a meeting that they had been seeking for three years. It was to take place next month. They knew we were producing the editorial, and wanted to let us know that the meeting had just been scheduled and asked that I include it in the editorial. i was glad to oblige.

I am sure the Governors office had some reason for not sending us the summary, but we probably got better information and indeed got the ball rolling on OHV policy from the governor's office. I think that this is a very important time to speak up and contact the governor about your feelings on motorized recreation whether you are for or against. As a result of this letter, you can bet that SUWA and their followers will get plenty of editorial time in the Tribune, and write many letters. If you love outdoor recreation on wheels or tracks, you better speak up now. If you post to this site, we will make sure they are forwarded to the Governor.

I still think he is an all around good guy. But I think he is real sensitive to the pulse of the community. Whoever speaks loudest and longest will get his attention. You better start talking. I suspect that there will be angry responses coming to the TV stations as well regarding this editorial. Not so much from the Governor, but from SUWA. My concern with the governor office is that they will take link Mayor Cullimore and Cottonwood Heights into this. That would be absurd. The mayor had no idea that we were putting this editorial in the show. We didn't plan it, it just happened. We also never expected that the governor's office would be so sensitive to the editorial. It was and is not intended to point a finger... only to point out what the motorized community feels. I would love to hear from all of you regarding this.

Here is the original version of the story:



And here is the final version of the story as it aired:

37 comments:

Anonymous said...

Thanks for airing the piece. It was much more polite than what I would have had to say about the gov. Those interested in Factory Butte have also requested his presence on a show-me tour for the last 3 years and have gotten nothing. It is pretty much our opinion the you have to be a rich fat cat to get his ear, such as the SUWA contact was. The perception is he doesn't care about the "little" people of the state, just the political feathers he can put in his cap. But I'm afraid that won't be happening for the next 4 years now anyway.

Thanks again for the great editorial!

Anonymous said...

hi chad,

glen and i watched and cheered your editorial on sunday morning, as did every other responsible motorized user of public lands. and i am sure every advertiser was doing the same!

politicians (and their staff) are very sensitive to which way the wind is blowing--and it's time for use to start generating some political 'wind' in support of motorized recreation. your show has been one of the few proponents of responsible motorized use here in utah (and the west). keep it up! and thanks for all you have done.

SRJ said...

Thank you for your great work and efforts to help the Governor understand, for real, the situation. I hope he will realize that there are folks other than SUWA in this state!

Crazy Lady said...

Thank you Chad for your efforts on bringing this issue back up and challenging the Governor on his comments. While I realize there was a certain spin done on his comments, I too have questions as to why he has never responded or made any effort to correct it. Your editorial hit the mark and I am so grateful you took the time to do it as are the members, I'm sure, of our club.

Belva Carlisle
Pathfinderzz ATV Club

Anonymous said...

Great job Chad! Glad to see that you have addressed these issues with the Governor. My hat's off to you Chad Booth! Thank you for all of your efforts!

KLD said...

Chad,

I never miss an episode of AYL and I appreciate your editorial comments this weekend. Your support is appreciated and so is allowing our voice to be heard on your program. Please let your sponsors know that I will seek them out for all my off road needs.

Katoom said...

Chad, I cannot thank you enough for your editorial. Considering the all the difficulties in presenting a very touchy and complex subject. It was right on the mark, well thought out and well delivered. Below you will find my comments.

As part of the over two hundred thousand registered Dirt Bike and ATV owners in Utah I would like to know why the Governor is spending our estimated five to six million in registration fees to close outdoor recreation? There are large economic issues here that Governor Huntsman took and oath to protect, and he had time to visit Moab with members of SUWA? I have called and written the Governor on may occasions regarding our public issues and have never heard a word. I guess the working class doesn’t count when you’re already in office. The main issue I would like to stress is the so-called destruction by ATV’s. First off more trails mean less renegades going off trail, second of all it’s still dirt. It has not been destroyed it’s still there; it boils down to the definition of use. Erosion is what created many beautiful things, such as the Grand Canyon, Arches and countless others. An off-road trail or dirt road is a beautiful sight to me. Why lock up my Picasso? Because SUWA say’s it is supposed to closed we should do so. We need more access to our public land and more trails. Thus, more economic growth for the State of Utah.

Regards,

Larry Kuehn

Anonymous said...

Thanks Chad, I agree with your comments as aired on your TV Show. Please hold the Governor's feet to the fire! We are part of the Public in public lands, and I'm getting tired of being locked out.

I'm concerned as to the Governor's attitude on this and others issues as he moves to the national political level? Please keep him honest on this issue!

Luv2ride said...

Thanks for all you do in getting the TRUTH out there for the OHV community! Much more polite than I would have been (that's why I'm not on TV!).

Maddeh said...

Thanks for the editorial, I wish the off road community could get more exposure like this. I actively participate in the fight for access, and still mostly what I see is support / propaganda for the other side.

Very well done piece in my opinion. I sent a letter to the gov as soon as I read his comments in the tribune and was disappointed as well that he never bothered to issue any kind of follow up statement to clarify his comments.

Anonymous said...

Not an abomination?

Many beg to differ. See link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87cxkMgRntw&feature=related

Anonymous said...

Thank you very,very much for what you have done (and are doing) for all of us.. I am known as 'Atvmom' as I worked very long and hard to get a trail system going in south central Utah. With the main plan - a perfect way for the handicapped and grey wave to access the beauty of our great outdoors. We can no longer hike and/or bike - but still love the ourdoors in all it's glory !! We have all got to work together to accomplish what we want, need and deserve. Thanks again and keep up the good work!!

Buddy said...

Thanks for airing the show, sorry I missed it, I was out riding my ATV one of the greatest family activities that this state has. The dollars that is spent in Sevier County and the Taxes makes these small town survive the winter. Thank you for letting the governor know our feeling. and you are right John Borg is a great guy. You are there too. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

The OHV community and Multiple Use Activists of all types owe Chad Booth a BIG "pat on the back". We especially appreciate Chad's ability to so eloquently speak what is on the minds of so many citizens/voters of this great state.
THANK YOU Chad for stepping out on the limb and speaking from the heart, for speaking the truth and for speaking for those of us that don't have a microphone, nor the Governor's ear.
The prosecution (SUE-Ya) has presented their case before the judge (Governor Huntsman), but that judge has yet to hear the defense (motorized users) in this case.
WE are working to correct that, and with the cooperation of the Governor, we'll get our chance to tell OUR side of this issue.
Thanks again for the very important role that AYL plays in the Public Relations battle. Your show continues to prove who WE really are and what WE really want from public land managers.
Thanks again,
Alan J. Peterson
Sage Riders M/C, UTMA, CCOHVA, SEUOHV, USA-ALL, RwR, AMA, GRMA, NRA
My 3 word sermon:
JOIN -- PARTICIPATE -- DONATE !!

Anonymous said...

Way to go Chad! The Gov needed all you gave him and more.

Anonymous said...

Some great comments! At Your Leisure is a great advocate for public land access and responsible OHV recreation. Keep up the good work!

Anonymous said...

Thank you for your comments they hit the nail on the head. Polite, consice,and to the point. As for the governor, it is clear as with many politicians that his focus is not within the state but his aspirations extend beyond. Why else would you meet with a group, SUWA,whose money and influence is not home grown. To not give equal time to the offroad community is indeed an abomination.

At Your Leisure TV said...

In reponse to annonymous who begged to differ with the abuse. I encourage all you you to check out this link. it is a teaser for and extreme ATV riding film due to be released. My comments about it are this: One it is the typical environmental stance to take the very worst possible scenario and make it seem the norm. I have never seen in my countless days on the trail, anyone behave like a jack...donkey, such as seen in that teaser. Two additional comments! One if those guys are actually on a designated trail system on public lands, they should be arrested and charged with destruction of public property. Probably however, they are on private land. In which case if they want to ravage their own back yard... more power to them. Testing your machines and skill is not evil. Digging holes in mud and dirt is not committing a crime against god or the dirt... as long as it is your dirt! Public lands and trail systems are domething different. There is a common trust to share the land in its a more protected state. The motorized community gets that, for the most part. Where we fail to measure up, and I used to be like this, is to not stand up and be vocal when we see a yahoo violating the rules of the trail!!!! I am no longer quiet. If someone acts like a donkey, I will tell them they are and let them know how I feel about it. The rest of us should too. Mr. Anonymous, if you really beleive that that is what is happening a majority of the time on our public trail systems... you have far too much rose tint in your glasses...get a life!

Unknown said...

First I would like to say thank you Chad Booth! Your being straight forward and saying it like it is should inspire all of us to stand up for what we believe in! We are the PUBLIC in public lands and we all have a right to use our lands. (not abuse it) Years ago my father taught me that when you go camping or out to just ride motorcycles for the day (this was before ATV's were around!) you always take back what you brought with you. In other words, pick up your trash as well as any other trash you see along the way. As a child we ALWAYS cleaned up the area we camped in as well as the areas nearby our campground. My father taught me to respect and use the land but to never abuse it. Because of his teachings, I teach my children the same thing and they will teach their children and so on. I know that there are many of us that enjoy riding and being out in the hills and we are teaching our children the very same thing! I believe we can respect the land while using the it and most of us do. We may have a few radical riders out there and like Chad said, they deserve to be arrested for stuff like that. HOWEVER, SUWA and the other groups also have some radicals as well and perhaps they should be arrested for the things they do!!!

Anonymous said...

Thank you for airing that piece. I have been trying to contact the gov since he was first elected.( I guess I don't make enough money). Your editorial was right on the money. I have told everybody that I've spoken with this week to go to the website and watch it...

Greg Miller said...

Thanks so much for your efforts to balance the scale with a situation that is so often presented as one sided. I too feel Governor Huntsman is basically a good guy, but not a perfect guy. He too makes mistakes. I just hope he realizes his mistakes before it is too late, and then makes the right decisions. It's obvious to most rational people that land closures aren't the answer. If Governor Huntsman truly wants the best solution he will carefully consider all viewpoints and opinions and make compromises that will benefit everyone. Thanks again for all your efforts. You have my support and the support of thousands more at motoutah.com.

Anonymous said...

Chad $ Co.,

Way to go! Outstanding work. Thank you for dedicating SO much valuable time to this important issue. We have been frustrated with the Governor for some time. We hope to see some positive changes from him. We hope that your efforts will help groups like USA-ALL make more progress with elected officials. Thanks again!

Off road Dave said...

Excellent and well spoken show Chad and Corby! My entire family loves your show and we seldom miss any of them.

You nailed the facts down, but still left him an open so he can respond (if he will).

EVERYBODY needs to get active and make our voices heard and contribute to OUR organizations that represent our interests in OUR state!

We need to hold Governor Huntsman accountable to OUR interests of OUR state.
PUBLIC LANDS is exactly what it means and needs to be protected as such! Not dictated to us what we can do by these radical environmental groups that want nothing less than closure to ALL motorized travel on ALL public lands.

I suppose we need to get an email link and fax number where we, the general public can directly voice our concerns to the office of the Govenor. He needs to be reminded who he works for!

Keep up the good work to get the word out for all of us.

TREAD LIGHTLY. It's up to us to protect our lands from abuse and closure. Don't let the few inconsiderate fools ruin it for the rest of us.

Anonymous said...

Chad & Corby Booth,

My glasses are NOT tinted in rose and I do have life that actually deals with motorized impacts from irresponsible users. I volunteer with the Bear River Watershed Council (www.brwcouncil.org) and we have systematically documented the impacts on the Logan Ranger District and have found extensive damage. For example, there are 25% of user-created (illegal) routes on the district. This is unacceptable.

You are right that destroying land on private property with permission of the owner is perfectly legal. However, our documentation shows the activities that are in the video are regularly occurring on public lands.

Irresponsible users are hill climbing, driving through streams and riparian areas, and cutting live trees to create their own routes. This is the norm not the exception. No matter how you define a "few bad apples" the damage by the "few" is giving the responsible users a black eye.

Because of our documentation work we have had the Utah 4-Wheel Drive Association step up and work with us on huge restoration projects. Several ATV groups and ATV dealers have been invited and only one group (after pulling teeth) participated on ONE project.

Also, USA-ALL not supporting a more vigorous enforcement/penalty program speaks volumes for the blinders being worn by many and not being able to see the "abomination."

With sincere regards to the responsible motorized user.

Anonymous said...

Excellent piece Chad. Thanks for speaking out and providing so many facts and views.
It is by speaking up that we will be able to preserve our access and our lands.

I hope you will consider airing the video from www.TrailsInTrouble.org

Please contact me to discuss other tools you can encourage people to use to speak up for access.

Anonymous said...

We OHVers need to get serious about peer enforcement and about curbing abuse or we'll lose still more land. If you see someone out there screwing up - let them know what they're doing is wrong! We need to do our level best to change things so Huntsman and others can't say the damage we do is an abomination. In short - we need to clean up our act - perception is reality!

Anonymous said...

Dear Mr. Booth,

Good editorial, thank you for spending the time to create it. I feel that Governor Huntsman needs to get out into the state of Utah (and out of Salt Lake City) more often and meet with actual citizens and with local OHV groups in order to get a real view of the land use issue. With his meetings with the super rich and powerful types like that of his latest SUWA meeting, and his apparent lack of meeting with multi-use advocacy groups, such as USA-ALL or other local OHV focused clubs and organizations, he appears to be swayed and biased. He has allowed his meeting with SUWA and his comments to become part of the propaganda machine that is used so well by the radical groups like SUWA on a daily and neverending basis. I wousld ask Governer Huntsman to please get to know the people and groups throughout our great state who love our public lands, its freedoms, and who take its use and the responsibility of it seriously. My family and I are active off-road motorcyclists who ride often throughout the state and it has been an incredibly positive experience for the family to enjoy a common activity that is active and adventurous and allows the kids to get out of the house and away from the electronic devices long enough to enjoy the outdoors and learn to appreciate the land and our access to it. Please Governor Huntsman, get to know your constituency outside of Salt Lake City and away from groups like SUWA and the severely biased reporting of the Salt Lake Tribune.

Anonymous said...

Chad,
Thank you so much for your editorial on the Governor's comments about land abuse. You said it so well, and put it in the light it should be put in. I have left messages on the Governor's phone about this and hope your editorial gets a response.

Please continue your efforts and do not give up hope. You are voicing for us what so many of us do not have the air time or ability to voice.

It goes to show how we as motorized users are willing to compromise and give back, but our opposition is not. This country has been made great by it's ability to compromise and give back, let us hope the Governor realizes this and opens a communication channel with our side of the story.

Thank you again. Looking forward to your next program, and any updates on this particular issue.

Anonymous said...

Dear Mr. Booth,

Thank for your candid editorial on the recent episode of At Your Leisure. Motorized recreation doesn’t seem to have a voice these days with groups such as SUWA stealing all the limelight. Time and time again we see them lie, I guess it’s no surprise they’ve duped the governor into seeing off highway use as an ‘abomination”.

I have lived in Utah for 42 years, and have enjoyed the diversity of outdoor recreation this great state has to offer. I have hunted, fished, hiked, repelled, water-skied, snow skied, four wheeled, rode atv,s, and watercraft, but nothing in the world compares to the feeling I get riding my motorcycle on Utah’s public lands ! I want my kids to be able to take their kids as I have taken mine, to the great outdoors and enjoy it as I have.

Once again thank you for your voice, and I hope this is only the beginning of public land use segments in upcoming episodes of At Your Leisure.

Gary N

Anonymous said...

Thank you Chad for your editorial. It is so frustrating to see groups such as SUWA who are largely financed by people outside our state pushing to take our public land access away from us. The Governor needs to take a look at both sides of the issue.
Matthew

Anonymous said...

Linda says: Thanks Chad for helping protect our rights. I don't believe in abuse of the trails or littering but can tell you without the trail system and my ATV I could not have revisited my childhood in the mountains of Central and Southern Utah. My Father was a Minning Engineer from 1925 to 1965 and I traveled with him throughout the area. I am considered a "Downwinder" which is someone that has be exposed to radio active material like uranium. I have multiple health issues including cancer. Using my ATV to see the country again has been a blessing. I really do enjoy being in the mountains, but with two artifical knees, ATV's are about my only hope of being there. My husband and I consider ourselves envirementalist, just not radical. We do repect the lands, the animals, and I do all of my shooting with a camera. However, I am still a member of the NRA. There are too many radicals on all sides. Money would be better spent teaching people how to behave in the wilderness instead of closing the trails to get there. Thank you again for your good work.

At Your Leisure TV said...

Thank you all for your comments, please keep them coming. I will remind the governor's office that the cards and letters are coming in. I want to respond again to Mr. Anonymous (perhaps Ms. Anonymous) in re-direct about abuse and rose-colored glasses.

I am pleased that I now know where you come by your bias about motorized, and that it actually comes from efforts on the ground. My sincere congratulations to you taking an active part it public lands. I mean that sincerely. There are, however, a few clarifications I wish to make:

In you second offering, paragraph 1, you say that you have documentation that (and I quote): "there are 25% of user-created (illegal) routes on the district. This is unacceptable."

Please clarify this fact.. is there evidence that 25% of the trails in the Logan Ranger District are new trails blazed since the last travel plan was put into place, or do you mean that there is use on 25% of the trails that at one time were open to motorized use, but under the current travel plan are now closed. There is a huge difference in those two statements. I certainly give you more credit that to assume that you mean that 25% of the total traffic in the district takes place on illegal trails. I find both the first and the third versions of that allegation to either unverifiable, or unbelievable as it takes some $34,000 dollars per mile to construct a forest trail. At least that is the price tag the forest service puts on it. That means that the riders must be putting a whole lot of time in on the trails. I have ridden in Logan Canyon within the last year; I don't recall that much activity.

Next, in your second paragraph, you are letting you bias show. In my response to your first comment, I said that if they were on private property and they wanted to ravage the land, more power to them. I did not say destroy, because I find it hard to destroy dirt. If you are going to appear neutral, try to describe in neutral terms.

In your third paragraph, I completely agree with you that a few bad apples are destroying reputations and opportunities for the responsible riders. I would turn them in if I could.

But having driven more than 3000 ATV miles on legal routes in just the course of my job (I actually went out and checked the odometer on my ATVs), I have never seen anyone cut down a tree to blaze a new trail. If fact of all the times I have ridden an ATV, I have only twice seen an ax or a chainsaw on an ATV on the trail. And one of them was Stan Rasmussen, a BLM environmentalist out on the Piute Trail system. The other was a member of one of those ATV clubs that never show up to do a service project. They were by the way doing a service project, and that is why he had the chainsaw. To call this behavior the norm is absurd!

In your fourth paragraph, I again have to agree with you. 4 wheel drive clubs by far are the most service-oriented clubs out there. I receive more notices about "on the ground" clean up projects sponsored by 4WD clubs than any others that cross my desk. I suppose that is a good question for those of you in the ATV clubs... why not?

Finally, in your 5th paragraph you take aim at USA-All about their objection to increased penalty/ fine system for off established trail riding. I must say that while I respect most of the positions of USA-All this is one I disagree on... with one important Caveat: If we are going to increase the penalty and enforcement effort to get people to stay on the trail, it must be accompanied by an equal effort to educate them. I am not talking about a celebrity entity reminding all of us to stay on the trail. And I hope the governor picks up on this post... what I am talking about is really informing the public on how to ride legally. In a conversation with John Borg, we were discussing the problem, and he put it very eloquently. He said, "Many riders are breaking the law, but they don't think they are. They are riding in an area, trying to follow the signs, but they don't have a map and the signs aren't completely clear and as a result, they are on a route that has been closed." In their mind, they think they are doing their part and staying on the trail, because they are... staying on the trail. But their skill level and information is such that they don't know they are on a closed trail. Hence I think your statistic about the 25% illegal trail use. That is why I questioned the formula on which it is based. And I can tell you from experience, Logan Canyon is not the best-marked trail system out there. It is very easy to ride up to an intersection with no signs of any kind. Case in point... try riding form Beaver Creek Lodge to the old airplane crash site. If we are going to increase the penalty and step up the enforcement, part of that component is teaching people how to get current information on legal trail and routes, and more important, make sure that the agencies have that information available 24-7 for people coming to an area to ride.

I don't mean to belabor this, but it is important. If you can accomplish this, then stricter enforcement will have teeth and meaning for responsible riders, and they will have the tools to do the job right.

You know Mr./Ms. Anonymous, AYL has donated half the cost of duplicating the Utah State Trail CDs for distribution. Most of our sponsors pay the other half of the duplication cost to hand them out to their customers, free of charge. To date since the discs first came out a year and a half ago, we have duplicated over 35,000 of them. Responsible riders want to know where to ride. The federal, state and local land agencies need to do a better job of getting the correct information out.

I will be sure to pass on your regards to the responsible riders I hang with.

Chad Booth

At Your Leisure TV said...

By the way, be sure to check out the post by Chris Horgan. he included a link to a site. I urge all of you to go there, look at the video on the home page and get a copy to distribute. I am going to see if we can do something with it on our show. here is the link:
www.TrailsInTrouble.org

boatiac said...

I have inserted this quote from Chad Booth.

“In a conversation with John Borg, we were discussing the problem, and he put it very eloquently. He said, "Many riders are breaking the law, but they don't think they are. They are riding in an area, trying to follow the signs, but they don't have a map and the signs aren't completely clear and as a result, they are on a route that has been closed." In their mind, they think they are doing their part and staying on the trail, because they are... staying on the trail. But their skill level and information is such that they don't know they are on a closed trail. Hence I think your statistic about the 25% illegal trail use. That is why I questioned the formula on which it is based. And I can tell you from experience, Logan Canyon is not the best-marked trail system out there. It is very easy to ride up to an intersection with no signs of any kind. Case in point... try riding form Beaver Creek Lodge to the old airplane crash site. If we are going to increase the penalty and step up the enforcement, part of that component is teaching people how to get current information on legal trail and routes, and more important, make sure that the agencies have that information available 24-7 for people coming to an area to ride.”

The above is the biggest problem I face when riding the trails. My wife and I began riding ATV’s 4 ½ years ago. We began our new recreation style on the Piute Trail System. The biggest reason?, it’s marking system and available maps. We have since rode almost all of that system and have ventured out to ride new areas that we have not seen. I have spent a lot of money purchasing maps, GPS’s and mapping software, travel to find forest service maps, etc. I am the type of person that, #1 wants to follow the rules, and #2 does not wants to get lost or get into trouble because I didn’t follow #1.

I have found it extremely frustrating that many maps do not follow the markings (when there are markings) and many of the markings do not follow the maps. One small example…..one of the loops out of Richfield, using the National Geographic Piute Trail map, has you riding through what is apparently private property as stated by some signs on a gate that stated “permission to ride must be obtained from the property owner only”. What does that mean exactly? I took it to mean that we could not ride through without contacting the property owner (and no way of knowing how to do that) even though the map dictated the route. We turned around and did not finish that loop.

Concerning the information being available, we recently went to Panguitch (an area we’d not ridden before). A trip to the Forest Service office got us no where. No maps available and not known when they would get any. For such a popular area to ride, that should not have happened. We ended up riding by GPS software, which I have often times found not to be completely accurate. I do sincerely hope we did not stray from the trail system, but how could I know!

As stated above I have only been riding 4 ½ years. We have met a lot of other riders and in conversation many have stated the same, information on trails is difficult to find. You have to know someone that knows someone to get information. The internet is vast, sometimes too vast. Searching out an area to ride can lead to many dead ends on finding what you need to know. We will not go to an area until I am comfortable with what information I have gotten. An example for me, is the Logandale Trail System in Nevada. I have tried for 2 years, using the internet, making phone calls, to get particular info. We have not gone there yet!

Information, information, information. This is what we need! If we have it, the responsible riders will become even more responsible. Put the info out there and easier for us to find. I hesitate to add this, but, I have gone to 3 of your AYL sponsors to get the “Trails CD” you speak of. I have had no luck so far.

Thank you Chad Booth for being a part of our voice and taking the risks by speaking for us. I have followed you ever since you started “Boating World”, which was (and still is) part of what we do for recreation.

Boatiac

At Your Leisure TV said...

boatiac... if you will go to the AYL website and send me an e-mail with your address, I will mail you a free copy of the Utah trail CD.

Thanks for watching.. Chad

At Your Leisure TV said...

What has not yet materialized on the forum is the extra hours 12 hours a day we need to get everything done. I have been shopping for a 36 hour clock. No luck yet in finding one. We have the forum set up, but the guy that put it together, took a job making drummer videos in California and we don't know how to get the forum up and linked to the website. But we are working on it. I am confident we will have it functioning before the fuss on this issue cools off.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Booth, I was a visitor at the UFWDA's board meeting last night. I was angered and embarrassed at the actions of one of their members. I guess he is on the board but. . . he should not be. His discourteous actions were purposefully disruptive and meant to accuse and derail your efforts to bring all motorized users of public lands together.

I watched the DVD this morning you left with us. I am a member of UFWCA and that was my first visit to their board meeting. Your visit was the most important part of the meeting as far as I can see. I am writting the board president and express my feelings about the treatment you recivied and urge them to take control of the meeting and to support this effort to keep access to public lands.

I also wrote my cousin Senator Kevin Van Tassel of Vernal and thanked him for his support. I offered to pick him up and drive him on any fact finding trip they put together for the representatives and the Governor.

Please again accept my appoligy from a non-board member of the UFWDA. Thank you and Mr. Brimhall for your time in this important effort.

Bob Quinn
Centerville, UT
801-712-3054
bob.quinn@hsc.utah.edu

P.S. Thanks for your show. I don't watch much tv but have loved the few times I have found you as I surfed for something of value to watch. I would love to be and extra on one of you visits to Rural Utah.